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If I looking at the area correctly, this is not a street but a road, which is to say that it is a high speed connection between two places. You leave the interstate and head south into the heart of the city. The objective here should be high speed travel. You can easily travel 55 mph through this section as it is designed today.
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The question then is whether or not this can Reebok Classic Womens function as a street through this section, which seems to be the desire of citizens with the suggested 25 mph design speed. A street is a platform for creating and capturing wealth. While there is plenty of room here to slow traffic, develop a node and attract investment, this is not happening here already. Not Reebok Alien Stomper Mid
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And just one last thought: if you are designing a 35 mph stroad (35 mph is, by definition, stroad speed) or if you are designing a street at 25 mph, you don need such wide lanes. To really be a street, your design speed should be lower 20 mph or less and your lanes even narrower, ten feet or less. Eleven and twelve foot lanes are stroad size, especially where there is no parking on the side of the street. You having a battle here where both sides are guaranteed to lose.
Dubuque Street in Iowa City. Looks more like a road than a street. (Image from Google Streetview)
by Jeff Speck, make no mention of the curb and gutter as a design element distinct from the traffic lane. My assumption has been lane width is taken from the face of curb, with the gutter included in the curb lane width. Please advise.
So yes, I will confirm your belief that you are getting messed with. It the lanes are 13 feet measured from the curb face, then you have a 13 foot lane. If it is approved that way, then I would start advocating for striping that at least provides some of the boundary function on the curb side. In other words, make them stripe the lane at 11 feet.
Dubuque Street in Iowa City. Creating a separated bus pickup would allow the road function to continue unimpaired.
The more difficult question is how to get students over to the recreational trail on the west side of the roadway. In a world where we don care about roads/streets, we do what they have done here already, which is to pretend there is no distinction and just run the sidewalk perpendicular to the road. Maybe traffic counts are low enough and students agile enough where they can judge the gaps (although that might be a little more dangerous Saturday nights). Ultimately, if Dubuque is going to function as a road though this section, there should not be a pedestrian crossing unless it is grade separated (bridge or tunnel).
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community to seek investment, I suspect the desire of residents is to have a more natural park area without intense development. Thus, making this a street does not seem viable.
Land across from the bus stop. Does not seem likely that Iowa City will be able to create a lot of community wealth here, so making Dubuque Street an actual street here does not seem viable.
To get to your specific question on how to measure the width of the lanes, I agree with you that it should be measured curb face to curb face. The mischief you describe is something we see quite often, where intransigent staff the fight but then redefines the parameters so that the elected officials can both support their constituents and acquiesce to the staff. Down in the Minneapolis area, I have seen staff actually present this as a impact zone, as if the curb needs to protected from traffic. This is really frustrating because it does not represent sound engineering practice but simply adherence to dogma with a touch of vindictive thrown in.
The City of Iowa City is in the preliminary design phase of Dubuque Street, a four lane, partially divided arterial street leading into town. The University of Iowa has bus service on a portion of the street. City Staff's recommendation for most of the project was a 35mph speed limit with 12 foot lanes. Community members advocated for a 25mph speed limit with 11 foot lanes. Last night, the City Council agreed with our position. City staff, however, recommended a 2.5 foot curb and gutter, measured separately from the lane width, and City Council agreed. In my view, we've ended up with a 13 foot curb lane, much wider than desired if controlling speeds is a concern. References I've been using, "Designing Walkable Urban Thoroughfares: A Context Sensitive Approach" by ITE/Congress of the New Urbanism, and "Walkable City" Reebok Junior Shoes
When you get to the bus stop at the University, you are injecting a little bit of street function into the roadway (but just a little bit). There are some design approaches that could be used here to keep the road function strong yet accommodate the university. A median between the bus stop lane and the two travel lanes would allow traffic to continue at high speeds along the road while having the street function where it is needed for the bus pickup.
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